*TOUGH LOSS IN OAKLAND*

   - *WHAT’S GOING ON TOMARROW?*

CC Sabatha (13-7) vs. Vin Mazzaro (4-8)

   - *A BRUTAL LOSS FOR A.J.*

   What’s worse than losing a ball game for the second straight day? The answer: Losing a ball game for the second straight day, and pitching nearly perfect! Yesterday’s game in Oakland proved that sometimes, one awful inning is all it takes to throw away a potential win. What can I say? The A’s had an incredible day, and Brett Tomko was no exception. Through 5 innings, Tomko allowed 5 hits and not a single run… Burnett on the other hand, went 8 full innings – but allowed 3 runs in the 4th to give Oakland the lead.

   We can’t place all the blame on one individual player though. (Unless you’re Louis Castillo, and you drop the ball in the 9th!) Despite having more hits than the A’s, we simply couldn’t string the swings together to put some runs on the board. Jeter had another impressive night, going 3 for 4 – pushing his newly aquired hitting record deeper in to the books.

   - *ON PAPER*

NY Yankees AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG
Jeter, DH 4 0 3 0 0 0 0 .327
Damon, LF 4 0 0 0 0 1 4 .281
Teixeira, 1B 3 0 1 0 1 0 1 .285
Rodriguez, A, 3B 3 0 0 0 1 0 4 .256
Posada, C 4 0 1 0 0 2 2 .273
Cano, 2B 4 0 0 0 0 1 1 .318
Swisher, RF 4 0 1 0 0 0 1 .242
Cabrera, Me, CF 4 0 0 0 0 0 2 .266
Pena, R, SS 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 .277
  a-Hairston, J, PH-SS 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .257
Totals 33 0 7 0 2 4 16

NY Yankees IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Burnett, A (L, 10-6) 8.0 6 3 3 2 5 0 3.69


10 Comments

Derek Jeter had three hits, so that’s one good thing that came out oif it. AJ Burnett was a tough luck loser, but I think CC will get the A’s tonight. Red Sox and Rays still have a long way to go to catch up with the Yankees.

Matthew Tan
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J.Quist: CC is the perfect guy to have on the mound tonight. The Yanks need to bounce back with a win. They go to Boston soon, and they need to be on top of their game. I think Arod’s at-bat in the 3rd with loaded bases is what cost the game for the Yanks. It was pathetic. -Virginia
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AJ totally deserved to win that game last night, poor guy. The bats just seem to have fallen asleep at some point during this trip. We need a great performance by CC tonight to right the ship.

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First of all I never said the Yankees should be *guaranteed* to win a ring. I am saying that because the Yankees have spent so much money on talent/players, the surprise of them winning a ring becomes depleted simply because it is expected. Yes, a team that spends a ton more than others should be expected to win–Keep in mind this is far different from saying they are guaranteed to win a ring. Remember the absence of truth is not the truth of absence.
As to why the Phillies won and the Yanks didn’t make the postseason– simple. Whether that was a rhetorical question or not, it’s simple… Because the Yankees didn’t perform at the level which they were expected to. What defines how a team ‘should’ perform? Quite simply the players on the field. And because the Yankees spent so much money on talent/players…they ‘should have’ performed at a higher level.
You said that the waste of stats is a far more justified reason for saying “Hey, you guys should have won a ring”. I disagree. In baseball it takes more than five good hitters to win it all. If you said five good hitters, a strong bullpen, two great starters, and a lights-out closer…then I’d agree with you. Remember this does not suggest that it is then okay for the “assumption” that the Yankees should not than be expected to win a ring, simply because the Yankees have more than “five good hitters”. In fact, if you look at the performance based on the pay–the Yankees have NINE players who make at least 13,000,000 this season. That is ridiculous.
But remember the point here… Does this guarantee the Yankees will win a ring? No.
Does this mean that the Yankees should be expected to win a ring, because of the money spent to put the talent on the field? Absolutely.

“Does this mean that the Yankees should be expected to win a ring, because of the money spent to put the talent on the field? Absolutely.”

– The Yankees have said point blank that they invest their money because they ‘expect to win.’ You can hate on it all you want, but I’ve stated my case. If your team was given the opportunity to scoop a few all-star caliber players from the free agency pool, you’d be estatic… Don’t tell New York fans that ‘getting excited is dumb’ because your team doesn’t invest the same amount of dough. We’re ridiculed either way, and that’s why it’s not even worth arguing. When we fail, it’s proof that ‘money can’t buy a World Series win.’ When we succeed, it’s ‘what did you expect?’ I’m a Yankee fan whether we buy the best free agents or not, (and a Pirates fan when they’re one of the worst teams in the league.) What’s comical here, is that if WE LOSE – there’s no excuses to make. If the Angels lose… well, it sounds like you already have your ‘salary’ excuse, (‘what do you expect,’) mapped out. The Phillies won last season without Cliff Lee and Pedro Martinez – so if they pull a repeat, are you going to cry ‘unfair advantage’ to the city of Philadelphia? Are you going to tell Phillie fans that ‘getting excited is dumb’ ??

1. I never said I wouldn’t want free agents. All I said was the the Yankees spend more money than any other team. Am I wrong?

2. When the Yankees fail, it’s more like “Well, they should have won–The players didn’t perform at the level they should have”.

3. You said the PHillies won last year without Cliff Lee and Pedro Martinez so if they win am I going to cry unfair advantage… Absolutely not. The Phillies don’t have nine players making over 13 million. The Phillies also won last year without these two players. And listing Pedro as reasoning for another title is iffy. He is too old to have such a significant impact in postseason play. His outing every fifth game definately can help them get to the big dance at the end, but your point would have been validated if your example including Hamels and Lee (even Happ)…before Pedro.

4. If I could make the aquisitions (or if my team did rather), and we had nine players making over 13,000,000. Yes, I would expect to win.

I stated facts. Not opinions.
Do the Yankees spend more than other teams? Yes.
Should a team with the highest paid/’best’ players win? Yes.
Does this guarantee a title? No.

I think you need to re-read a lot of what I’ve written, my stances, and my ‘arguments’. (Which btw most aren’t arguments). Half of the things you replied back with are arguments or stances you base of what I say in a completly different direction…that I never said to begin with.

Good luck with the season.
Case closed.

Plain and simple: You said that Yankee fans being excited about a title run is “dumb,” – and that’s a statement that you can’t retract. Come to think of it, it’s also an opinion. I can’t even imagine making a statement like that about any organization, regardless of the circumstances. “It should be expected that they win a ring each year, and being excited over whether or not they are going to is simply—well, dumb.” I hate to say it buddy, but you’re whining… And the proof is in the pudding. You said in your last reply that you “never said [you] wouldn’t want free agents.” Thus meaning, if the Angels COULD purchase the contracts of 9 all-star players, you’d be all for it. Who wouldn’t? If they went on to win a World Series, (whether you expected it or not,) you would undoubtedly be a happy camper, correct? So why are you bringing that ‘dumb’ stuff to the table? It would be more dumb to watch your team win the World Series, and keep a straight face because your players were great… Now maybe I’m taking what you originally said too litterally, but what do you expect? Did you expect me to say, “you’re right man. If we win the World Series this year, I really won’t be excited about the results at all because we spent a ton of money, and had an unfair advantage over every other team…” No. I’ll be excited about the win no matter what, because I happen to think that even with our spending, (and “expectations,”) – there’s quite a few teams that are just as good, if not better. (The Red Sox, the Cardinals, the Dodgers, the Phillies…) My point: I just don’t want to see us win the World Series and hear all the blubbering about our salary, like it’s the only reason we took it to the top. To downplay the chemistry the Yankees have had this year, the slumps that our “high paid players” fought through, and our journey to first place – is just arrogant. How quickly we’ve forgotten about Wang’s horrendous start… How quickly we’ve forgotten about Phil Hughes the bum, who blossomed into one of the best set-up men in the league…

Well I guess continuing this chat is a continuous road down altering and unrelated issues. You stray so far from the original point of an expectation vs a guarantee. There have been plenty of examples you have given that alter my original point into a comparison that is so far from relevant. Such as the Yankees spending compared to my reactions if the Phils win a title. Or when I said spending that much helps expect a title vs me saying they are guaranteed a title. Or when I said they spend a lot on free agents, and you some how took it as if I wouldn’t want my team to do the same so you used a poor example of “if you could get Ibanez, Santana, and Longoria, you’d do it.” (I could go on and on with the irrelevant and skewed examples)…

The point here is I really can’t have a continuous chat with you because of how far you shift my original posts. I would glady continue the chat if you compared apples to apples, rather than donuts to carrots.

And about me being a happy camper if the Angels had the free agents, and some how relating that to it being okay for you to feel how you feel because I’d feel the same in that situation is incorrect also. I would be happy yes, but it would also be expected. Expected vs Guarantee. Expectation vs emotion (as you label ‘happy’)… these are all different underlying issues which you fail to isolate. Thus, this conversation has reached a stand still. Take care bud.

- I began with the word you used, and ended this excerpt with an EXACT QUOTE from you. This in particular is not a skewed example. This is why I said, “a statement you can’t retract.” You said in perfect english, “being excited over whether or not they are going to [win] is simply—well, dumb.” You can try to explain what you meant by this until you’re blue in the face, but it is what it is man. To which I replied, “I can’t even imagine making a statement like that about any organization, regardless of the circumstances.” You can try to bring up every example I gave you, but you can’t shake the fact that you said “being excited over whether or not they are going to [win] is simply—well, dumb.” THAT was dumb lol. “Expecting” to win when you have a multi-million dollar lineup is a given… but just because you expect the win doesn’t mean that being excited about it when it ACTUALLY HAPPENS is “dumb.” I would hope ANY fan, regardless of how much money their team spent – would be excited if their team won the World Series. (Which is WHY I brought up the Angels, free agents, Longoria, and anything that would contribute to a World Series win.) “You used a poor example of “if you could get Ibanez, Santana, and Longoria, you’d do it.” Yeah – a real poor example right? I was pointing out that if you snatched up some phenominal players – you’d be in the same boat as me! Million dollar players, and the ‘haters’ out there telling YOU, that if you won the world series: “being excited is, well, dumb.” Which is precisely what you said – (no matter how many of my examples you try throw in the way.) We’re having an excellent season, and if you want to make quips about how Yankee fans shouldn’t be excited, (YOU used the word ‘excited,’ don’t forget that,) – then so be it. I laugh everytime I read, “being excited over whether or not they are going to [win] is simply—well, dumb.” – because you “stray so far from” it lol – and it’s really the only comment you made that I had a problem with. It’s all I’ve been refering to, and in one simple sentence: With 9 players making over $13,000,000 – the win should be expected, and being excited about it is – well – dumb. This is exactly what you said, and it’s all I’ve been trying to touch on. If your team had 9 $13,000,000 players – and you won the World Series, YOU’D be excited… But if WE’RE excited, we’re dumb, because it should be expected. It’s a biased opinion, which is why you used the word “rediculous.” “the Yankees have NINE players who make at least 13,000,000 this season. That is ridiculous” – Rediculous indeed my friend, and you might even say the same if the Angels were dishing out that much for their players, correct? Rediculous. *But it keeps coming back to the same point my man… Rediculous, YES. Expected win, YES. But the feeling of being excited when your team actually pulls it off, being dumb… That isn’t dumb at all. And because I’m positive that you would be excited to see the Angels win the world series, no matter what the reason was, ($13,000,000 per player,) – I have to label it a biased opinion. Because you’re NOT the team with $13,000,000 per player, (nor is any other team,) – BUT IF YOU WERE, and YOU won the World Series… You would enjoy it. I can’t make it any clearer then that. If it was your team – you’d be excited. When it’s not your team, “it’s rediculous.” Even if it WAS your team spending the millions and you still felt it was rediculous for any team, you’d still enjoy the win. Bottom line.

J.Quist: WHOA! Some debate. I don’t get when people pull out that money arguement. Why do the Yankees have that money in the first place? Because they were a great team that earned it. People care about the Yankees and will pay anything to see them. The Yankees spend a lot of money because they GET a lot of money because they are good and people care about them. It is a cycle.
And look at all the people this year that have contributed that we didn’t “buy” in the offseason. Melky Cabrera has been THE CLUTCHEST player in baseball. Jeter, in my opinion, can win MVP this year. And the bullpen? Coke and Hughes have been fabulous. Every team buys players, and every team has home grown players. Let’s count the home grown Yankees: Jeter, Mo, Andy, Aceves, Coke, Hughes, Joba, Melky, Cano, Gardner, Posada, all HOME GROWN YANKEES. I admit, the Yankees do spend a lot of money, but it’s the home grown Yankees that won us the WS in the last dynasty. People are just jealous that the Yankees are the BEST TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF SPORTS!!! -Virginia
http://southernbelle.mlblogs.com
I hope that helps, J.Quist.

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